So true

There is good and there is evil. Right and wrong. Heroes and villains. And if we're blessed with wisdom, then there are glimpses between the cracks of each where light streams through. We wait in silence for these times when sense can be made, when meaningless existence comes into focus, and our purpose presents itself. And if we have the strength to be honest, then what we find there, staring back at us, is our own reflection, bearing witness to the duality of life. And each one of us is capable of both the dark and the light, of good and evil, of either, of all. And destiny, while marching ever in our direction, can be rerouted by the choices we make. By the love we hold onto, and the promises we keep.

uh ok

Hmmm.......looks like someone has been thinking deeply, -smiles-

i didnt know it was possible.
XP

LOL

Kratos wrote:

There is good and there is evil. Right and wrong. Heroes and villains. And if we're blessed with wisdom, then there are glimpses between the cracks of each where light streams through. We wait in silence for these times when sense can be made, when meaningless existence comes into focus, and our purpose presents itself. And if we have the strength to be honest, then what we find there, staring back at us, is our own reflection, bearing witness to the duality of life. And each one of us is capable of both the dark and the light, of good and evil, of either, of all. And destiny, while marching ever in our direction, can be rerouted by the choices we make. By the love we hold onto, and the promises we keep.

DISAGREE

There is no such thing as good or evil. Therefore this no such thing as cracks in between where light streams through. The moral of this story is "MAKE GOOD CHOICES AND HOLD ON TO THE LAST REMAINING LOVE THERE IS!" which is so cliché I felt like puking. The only thing I do agree with is when it mentions "when meaningless existence comes into focus" yet that to was a big slap into the face of Existentialism(which is a fantastic philosophy, and I recommend that anyone look it up).

G.O.R.T wrote:

Kratos wrote:

There is good and there is evil. Right and wrong. Heroes and villains. And if we're blessed with wisdom, then there are glimpses between the cracks of each where light streams through. We wait in silence for these times when sense can be made, when meaningless existence comes into focus, and our purpose presents itself. And if we have the strength to be honest, then what we find there, staring back at us, is our own reflection, bearing witness to the duality of life. And each one of us is capable of both the dark and the light, of good and evil, of either, of all. And destiny, while marching ever in our direction, can be rerouted by the choices we make. By the love we hold onto, and the promises we keep.

DISAGREE

There is no such thing as good or evil. Therefore this no such thing as cracks in between where light streams through. The moral of this story is "MAKE GOOD CHOICES AND HOLD ON TO THE LAST REMAINING LOVE THERE IS!" which is so cliché I felt like puking. The only thing I do agree with is when it mentions "when meaningless existence comes into focus" yet that to was a big slap into the face of Existentialism(which is a fantastic philosophy, and I recommend that anyone look it up).

First things first, what kra posted was not of his own words but from "heroes" so this has nothing against kratos if i continue this "debate"
even so, I

AGREE

There is such a thing as good and evil, if we did not have such ideology man would have lost his sanity eras ago. I believe such a differentiation allows humanity to justify its wrongful, and ethical ways. As for the moral of the story I as well find it cliche ,excluding the mention of "making good choices". Bad choices are inevitable ,however it does not mean one should loose utter hope of goodness and pleasure in life. "Last remaining love there is": Personally I believe love is bound to end at some point, whether it be for a friend,mother,father, or even the person you believe you want to spend your life with. The only love i find everlasting is one for a god, that the individual truly praises.

Existence, if there is no meaning to existence then the ideology of existence itself would not exist. I mentioned an astonishing quote once within my signature and it read,"As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being."

V wrote:

G.O.R.T wrote:

Kratos wrote:

There is good and there is evil. Right and wrong. Heroes and villains. And if we're blessed with wisdom, then there are glimpses between the cracks of each where light streams through. We wait in silence for these times when sense can be made, when meaningless existence comes into focus, and our purpose presents itself. And if we have the strength to be honest, then what we find there, staring back at us, is our own reflection, bearing witness to the duality of life. And each one of us is capable of both the dark and the light, of good and evil, of either, of all. And destiny, while marching ever in our direction, can be rerouted by the choices we make. By the love we hold onto, and the promises we keep.

DISAGREE

There is no such thing as good or evil. Therefore this no such thing as cracks in between where light streams through. The moral of this story is "MAKE GOOD CHOICES AND HOLD ON TO THE LAST REMAINING LOVE THERE IS!" which is so cliché I felt like puking. The only thing I do agree with is when it mentions "when meaningless existence comes into focus" yet that to was a big slap into the face of Existentialism(which is a fantastic philosophy, and I recommend that anyone look it up).

First things first, what kra posted was not of his own words but from "heroes" so this has nothing against kratos if i continue this "debate"
even so, I

AGREE

There is such a thing as good and evil, if we did not have such ideology man would have lost his sanity eras ago. I believe such a differentiation allows humanity to justify its wrongful, and ethical ways. As for the moral of the story I as well find it cliche ,excluding the mention of "making good choices". Bad choices are inevitable ,however it does not mean one should loose utter hope of goodness and pleasure in life. "Last remaining love there is": Personally I believe love is bound to end at some point, whether it be for a friend,mother,father, or even the person you believe you want to spend your life with. The only love i find everlasting is one for a god, that the individual truly praises.

Existence, if there is no meaning to existence then the ideology of existence itself would not exist. I mentioned an astonishing quote once within my signature and it read,"As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of meaning in the darkness of mere being."

You said it yourself: Good and evil=ideology. Therefore they are just words used to describe what will keep civilization nice and running, and what will bring it down. In my opinion, the meaning of human life is the ability to choose based on intellectual thought and not on instinct. It is the only thing that separates us from our counter part: the monkey. As for the love aspect: how do you define love? You obviously have a different definition than me. Love IMO is the thought of good/hope(note: I am not saying these things exist). When we grow up and are released into the open of the real world and see the horrors it contains you begin to lose that, how should I say, "innocence". You definitely missed my point about existence: I was talking about the philosophy of existentialism, which is about giving your life your own purpose.

V wrote:

First things first, what kra posted was not of his own words but from "heroes"

I wondered when someone would notice that.

Kratos wrote:

V wrote:

First things first, what kra posted was not of his own words but from "heroes"

I wondered when someone would notice that.

I already knew it. I thought it was obvious that you didn't write it.

Of course you did.

I think the existance of good and evil will depend on your beliefs. MAybe Gen here doesn't believe in good and evil because of his lack of belief in god. However, others may believe in good and evil because the ultimate good is meant to be God, while the ultimate evil is meant to be Satan. When you think about it.....IMO, there must be good and evil,or else we wouldn't have a natural sense of right and wrong. When we are about to commit a "crime" a little alert goes off in our head, called the conscience. Ever wonder why?

DESTROYER OF EARTH wrote:

When we are about to commit a "crime" a little alert goes off in our head, called the conscience.

Or we were just told not to commit a crime such much in our youth that it is almost an out of the question type deal.

G.O.R.T wrote:

DESTROYER OF EARTH wrote:

When we are about to commit a "crime" a little alert goes off in our head, called the conscience.

Or we were just told not to commit a crime such much in our youth that it is almost an out of the question type deal.

If man were to exist anew ,yet retaining intellect, crime would seem inconceivable. I have no doubt at least one ,or a more logical figure, hundreds would develop the enticement to do something 'looked down upon' simply for their own pleasure. Inevitably this would lead to more drastic acts which then would be entitled evil.

Its funny that you had mentioned this statement. I have questioned the same thing my self, and have relived several different possibilities,however all are bound to end in some state of wrong doing and eventually immorality.

V wrote:

G.O.R.T wrote:

DESTROYER OF EARTH wrote:

When we are about to commit a "crime" a little alert goes off in our head, called the conscience.

Or we were just told not to commit a crime such much in our youth that it is almost an out of the question type deal.

If man were to exist anew ,yet retaining intellect, crime would seem inconceivable. I have no doubt at least one ,or a more logical figure, hundreds would develop the enticement to do something 'looked down upon' simply for their own pleasure. Inevitably this would lead to more drastic acts which then would be entitled evil.

Its funny that you had mentioned this statement. I have questioned the same thing my self, and have relived several different possibilities,however all are bound to end in some state of wrong doing and eventually immorality.

Before I start: sorry for my grammar mistake. I meant to say "so" instead of "such", but lets continue. I disagree with your statement about crime being inconceivable to a man who never knew of it. You have no proof to back up that claim. If anything we are no different than cannibals. And it takes authority to convince us to be a slave to society.

This is oddly close to religion.

Phantom Eclipse wrote:

This is oddly close to religion.

It is?

If it turns to religion then we will need to lock this thread......thats one of the rules:

No arguments about religion.

Empress Lumiya wrote:

If it turns to religion then we will need to lock this thread......thats one of the rules:

No arguments about religion.

What a stupid rule. We should have a section like the one in Tf Legends: World View.

there's no doubt that we are definately not cannibals. It doesn't take authority for even animalistic groups to realize what's good and what's bad. Most societies, civilized or uncivilized have come to agreement on basic laws. Taking something that is not yours is wrong to anyone...doesn't matter who you are. Even hardened criminals know what they're doing is bad.

G.O.R.T wrote:

Empress Lumiya wrote:

If it turns to religion then we will need to lock this thread......thats one of the rules:

No arguments about religion.

What a stupid rule. We should have a section like the one in Tf Legends: World View.

Double Post:

its not a stupid rule...because look how that topic in TFL turned out....chaotic. Name calling, and agression all together.

If you wish to talk religion...then you can take it to Tfl, we're all on there anyway.

Yeah,go flame and kill eachother there. ^_^ XD

DESTROYER OF EARTH wrote:

there's no doubt that we are definately not cannibals. It doesn't take authority for even animalistic groups to realize what's good and what's bad. Most societies, civilized or uncivilized have come to agreement on basic laws. Taking something that is not yours is wrong to anyone...doesn't matter who you are. Even hardened criminals know what they're doing is bad.

Again I DISAGREE. ESPECIALLY at the criminal part. Not all criminals think what they are doing is bad. In fact that is ridiculous! Do you think they are criminals just so they can be like that cool villain they saw on tv? NO!

Taking something that is not mine is wrong and it doesn't matter who I am?
What if this man had the only specific medicine my sister needs in the entire world. And what if he was a jackass who wouldn't give it to me even if my sister was almost dead? I guess I shouldn't take it because that is BAD. Its these types of situations that are proof that the ideology of good and bad are SHIT.

And yes every human will do anything to survive. Becoming cannibals if they must. Even if it goes against their morals. It takes a higher authority to teach them otherwise.

Actually some villains do stuff because they saw it on TV.

They're not called villains.

What is the proper term, people?